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03 June 2007

Gospel Sanctification 1 - Piper's Word for Joyless Pastors

I was recently part of a great discussion that all started with this link:

http://www.desiringgod.org/media/video/vftp_promo05.mov

(Reference: Sound of Grace discussion Group April/May discussions: http://freegroups.net/groups/soundofgrace/)

Over the next few posts I'll be explaining the importance of Gospel Sanctification, sharing some of the discussion details, and answering some of the questions raised - which were some of the very issues I have struggled with and perhaps some of you also struggle with.

Shane.

4 Comments:

  • Ready when you are my brother. Lead the way.

    By Blogger Joseph G. Krygier, At 5:28 am  

  • : )

    By Blogger Shane Becker, At 5:52 pm  

  • Hi Shane,
    I've only glanced through some of your comments on the blog, but checked out one of the Sound of Grace discussions you had with Greg. (http://freegroups.net/html/?224::12786)

    The discussion of motives is very important. In discussing ethics, some people seem to say that there are many ways that God gets us to do stuff, and not one, unified way or motivation.

    So, the idea of doing something out of sheer duty (simply because the Bible says we're to) seems to take up a major part of our thinking about good deeds. People seem to argue that if there is no immediate motivation given in the context, then we should do it because God is God and he commands us to - Don't ask any questions.

    But to me, this thinking seems a little weak, or lazy. It seems strange that we're happy to say that the whole Bible is about Jesus Christ (sacrifice language, OT promises, etc), yet neglect that fact when it comes to obedience passages.

    You express it well in your Reply to Greg: 'The centrality of the Christ and His Gospel is the great truth and wellspring from which all other realities in the Christian life are derived including our obedience.' This seems to make sense to me - that there is one unifying God-centred aim of every single action of man. However, in my discussions with some people, they would say I'm taking verses out of context to quote something like 1 Corinthians 10:31 to make the point.

    So, I think we DO need to examine and refine our motives, as they are always at work, as you've said. And we do need to keep reading the Bible in it's WHOLE context, not just from the beginning of verse 1 to the end of the chapter. This is a mighty, constant work, but a most valuable and humbling and rewarding and reviving one.


    Also, I know that 'God accepts our obedience in Christ even when we act from motives tainted by sin.' But which passages teach us this?

    (Sorry if you expand on all this in the later posts. I'll try to read them soon, but i wanted to respond while my thoughts were fresh!)

    By Blogger Steve Webb, At 10:28 pm  

  • Hi Steve,

    Thanks for your feedback. I see similar threads in your thinking and journey.

    When I say, 'God accepts our obedience in Christ even when we act from motives tainted by sin', I hadn't thought it through in much detail. I simply meant that all our sins are forgiven and what remains in the service of God is rewarded. I used the term 'tainted by sin' to speak of duty performed with right motives overall. But as motives are complex even right motives can be tained by sin - sin which is cleansed, forgiven, and cleared from the record.

    In Christ, our Lord and Treasure,
    Shane.

    By Blogger Shane Becker, At 11:05 pm  

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